Movies Talk Archive October 01 2012 to October 31 2012

31 Oct 2012 13:28:42
so disney are buying lucasfilms for £2.5 billion and have already decided to film star wars episodes 7, 8 and 9 based on a whole new story rather than the timothy zahn series of novels the thrawn triolgy which strats off 5 years after return of the jedi. bit of an odd decision to me that. would like to know what other star wars fans think?
huddz red {Ed001's Note - I was discussing this with 007 last night, we are both huge Star Wars fans and we can't decide whether it is a good thing or not.}

I think the best option would be to set Episodes 7, 8 and 9 as far as possible from the orginal trilogy. A good fresh start would probably be best thing for the saga - and not for George to write the screenplays!

I love Star Wars and the fact there making new films sounds good but Disney making them worries me
LP

George will not be writing the screenplays, disney will have their own men to do it, after all episode 1 and two were dire and 3 was a bit better. i thought the thrawn trilogy was pretty goodand i think they would make (if done right) decent editions to the episodes. to have a whole new start then they might as well not call it episode seven and make it a whole new saga, makes more sense to me anyway.
huddz red {Ed001's Note - they are not just making 7, 8 and 9, they intend to make more.}

Firstly i'd like to say i do like Star Wars, i enjoy watching them and find them entertaining.

BUT!

I am about to commit heresy. They are not actually that good.

As i said i fidn them entertaining. I like the story, plot and the the entire concept. The Force and Lightsabres are brilliant.

However the dialogue is awful and so is a lot of the acting. Not to mention the gaping plotholes. Never mind Disney doing 3 new films they should remake the first 6. I think the prequels get an unfair battering. They do have their problems, but no more than the original trilogy which has many of the same issues. Its just because many of us grew up with the original trilogy that they tend to be viewed throguh rose tinted glasses and some think they are imune from criticism as they are such a cultural icon.

Huddz/ Ed1 i heard Lucas had written the basic theme and they were just after a script writer and a director.

I agree Eps 1 & 2 had their issues, interested to hear what you didn't like? {Ed001's Note - that Binks thing, the annoying brat that Anakin was and not much better teenager. Any scene involving the child, who was just an awful actor. I am sure there are more things, but those are just off the top of my head.}

I know they intend on making more ed but tey have to start somewhere i was just my preference that all and eps 1 and 2 are truely awful. so what would you like them to do with the series ed?
huddz red {Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, I remember so many comic books, as a primary school kid, that had some great stories expanding the universe. I really don't mind where they start, so long as they don't make the same mistakes they did with episodes 1, 2 and 3. The Thrawn story was ok, but the most important thing is finding the right man to direct, he will set the tone of it and that has to be right. You only have to look at things like Avengers, the right feel is essential, more important than which story they choose. If you don't tell the story well, even the best story will be awful.}

I thought revenge of the sith was very good. But 1 and 2 were just like very poor kids films. Im glad theres gonna be more films but would of prefered if it wasnt disney. I think they would do a good job if it was just 3 new ones and maybe remake the original 3 but i have a feeling after paying so much there gonna keep making them till its boring and annoying. For the 3 new ones i wouldnt mind seeing it go further back with yoda starting the jedi.
Gaz

Get what you mean Gaz, young Yoda would be entertaining but he didn't start the Jedi. Personally i would rather see more stuff in the Old Republic, thats where most of the best expanded universe stuff is rather than the post Empire stuff.

Ed Binks was annoying but at least they recognised that and cut it down to what 2-3 scenes in the 2nd and nothing in the 3rd.

And yes the kid Anakin was annoying but blame Lucas, surely he was at casting. And he wrote the part. He should have had Anakin as older, maybe pre-teen or early teen so he's already got a surly nasty edge, which would have made the councils reluctance more understandable. After all the age they went with wasn't much older than the younglings seen in the next 2 films.

The Anakin of parts 2-3 again wasn't good casting but again I think the part was written wrong. The romance between Anakin and Padme just seemed so forced and creepy, especially given the age gap. In fact watching them in part 1 knowing that the annoying kid was going to boff Natalie Portman wigged me out. Again they should have been closer in age it would have made much more sense from a Romance point of view.

There was plenty of potential there in the story of Anakins fall but it seemed so poorly handled and rushed over the 3rd film.

For me it should have in part 1 they discovered 13 year old Anakin, talented skilled but cocky and arrogant. Part 2 10 years later Anakin's done his trainging about to become a Knight, he romances Padme, but his mum dies and he starts going off the rails with him being turned at the end of the film. Then part 3 could have picked up straight from there with his fall "official" and they could have fitted a lot more in regards what went on rather then the rushed last hour we had. {Ed001's Note - I agree with most of that, the romance was extremely creepy, reminded me of those dirty slapper 'Twilight' moms. You know, the old hags chasing underage boys that were in teen flicks.}

Never watched twilight sounds like a lucky escape. Lucas is a good ideas man but poor in the execution. The prequels could and should have been so much better. With just 1 tweak in Anakin's age we've already improved it lol.

Is the story not already in place? Lucas wrote 9 episodes originally so id imagine the last 3 should be his, continuing on from rotj. Would be interesting to see though considering what happened at the end of the originals.

Lucas supposedly wrote 9 episodes but after watching the prequels it makes you think exactly when he wrote them. As said above he's supposedly written the story it just needs Disney to find a script writer and director. George can't write scripts to save his life as Ford once said "You can write this **** George but you can't as hell say it"

Also i hope they discard most of the novels as well. They vary in quality from some which are excellent to some which are total cack and nothing more than cheap cash ins. And i hate the Jedi twins, awful awful awful.

How can they be as far away from the originals as possible? It must have jedi in it, and theres only a handful left after return of the jedi!?!
Liono74

In regard to Episode 1 to 3 tinkering, if you look at the pre-production art for Phantom Menace, you will see that Anakin must have been orginally going to be a teenager. Pity they changed it as it would have made more sense having a older Anakin, rather than the bin-lid!
Weyland-Yutani

Yoda spin off - origin story and his battles vs the real Sith. How could they fail lol. CheltBlue

Weyland-Yutani i haven't seen that, it then makes the decison all the more stupid. An older Anakin just works so much more better. Why change it?

Marketing, no doubt, my dear boy. Marketing.
Weyland Yutani

27 Oct 2012 13:48:26
Skyfall has to be one of the best Bond films in a long time.
sparky

A lot better than the last two films, definitely room to remake some of the classics now
LP

Better than the last 2? OK Quantum was crap but Casino Royale when it came out was being hailed as the best Bond ever.

Will they remake anything of Series 1? I'd think it would be tricky as most of them are rather out of date plotwise now.

I think skyfall is superb but hope they move forward and not back,the old ones are classics and should be left alone in my opinion

mark d

Skyfall was really excellent, but not the "Best Bond Ever!" as the newpapers would led your to believe. If they were going to remake any "Classic" Bond movie, it should be "On Her Majesty's Secret Service". Craigs' Bond would be a good fit with the story which could be updated to include Quantum.

Gold finger for me is the best ever
LP

For me its From Russia With Love then Live And Let Die then You Only Live Twice then The Living Daylights then Casino Royale then The Man With The Golden Gun.

24 Oct 2012 20:41:03
Anyone knows Hrithik Roshan? {Ed001's Note - Bollywood guy?}

22 Oct 2012 20:32:28
ed just want your opinion what is your top five favourite animated films mine are
up
toy story 3
dispicable me
how to train your dragon
monsters inc {Ed001's Note - I have no idea mate, I am not particularly a big fan of the genre so don't watch them more than once, usually when I take my daughter to the cinema.}

The Simpsons movie
Finding Nemo
Original Toy Story
Barnyard
Monsters Inc
LP

When you say animated does that include cartoon style? if it does then..

lion king
fox and the hound
beauty and the beast
aladdin
tarzan

Transformers '86
Lion KIng/ Aladdin
Vexil
Toy Story Trilogy

Akira
Ghost in the shell
Fist of the north star
Under the red hood (batman)
the simpson movie ( didnt want to say legend of the overfiend! Lol)
Liono74

Incredibles, Toy Story 3, MegaMind, Wall-e, Kung Fu Panda 2

20 Oct 2012 00:51:02
out of all the american pie sequels and spin offs whats everyone's favourite? I think 2 edges wedding and beats reunion. Of the spin offs band camp is the best by far.

Agreed AP2 is the best out of the cinema releases not counting the 1st one. The Wedding is a bit hit and miss.

Of the direct to dvd films, most of them are rubbish and band camp is the only one i can sit through. The most like the original in spirit. The others were just sort of jumping from one gag to the next with plot and story largely forgotten.

Wedding is easily the best.

KiwiRed

I really liked number 2 and reunion best, didn't think much of wedding

Kiwi a lot of wedding is good in parts, especially jim/ stifler and finch/ stifler. Jim's dad is always good and it nicely closed off the original trilogy. At times though stifler was very annoying and not like the stifler of the first 2 films. And it was a waste of time having Kevin around.

I can see why they did reunion but not sure it was really necessary.

17 Oct 2012 21:39:46
just watched the prestige if anyone hasn't seen it I would strongly recommend it
sparky

I have it's a great film ! Loads of twists.
golla

Yes very good film, something a bit different and always good to see Tesla get credit for stuff.

Best film I've ever seen

KiwiRed

I agree, just finished watching it, amazing film.

JK92

16 Oct 2012 23:00:42
I see they have pushed back the release date for the Robocop reboot to 2014, February 7th to be precise.

They need to make it worthwhile, special effects etc, with that kind of delay.
Ed001

It bloody better be since it was due next august.
huddz red
p.s it'll still not be better than the original one. ;)

Huddz thats a good date Feb 7th, 1 week before pointless romance day, so you can go see that first then a week later treat the mrs.

Or combine both "o yeah babe, off to the cinema for a date, new film just out last week, robocop...."

16 Oct 2012 22:01:12
Need For Speed movie - anyone excited about this idea at all?

They did thjis, its called fast and furious
huddz red

14 Oct 2012 17:06:58
Great news that Agent Coulson is back, played by Clark Gregg once again. Bad news is that it is not in a new movie, but in the S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series that Joss Whedon is making.
Still, it should be good, Coulson was defo one the stars of the recent rash of Marvel films.
Ed001

Hmm not sure a TV series would work, but if anyone could pull it off it would be Joss Whedon.

Yes i read the same, hopefully it will be set before the avengers so it isnt only flashbacks of him, and being a tv show is bad thhat is great especially if they keep his dry humor and hopefully a cameo or two from the current avengers and maybe a few new ones. hulk is also possibly being made into a tv show
huddz red {Ed001's Note - I just read it as being confirmed it is set afterwards and that he survived. At least that was how it read in the article I got it from.}

Could you please post a link for me, would be greatly appreciated mate. thanks again
huddz red {Ed001's Note - now I have read it again, it doesn't actually say anything about whether he is alive or not: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/news/a430513/nycc-agent-coulson-returns-in-joss-whedons-shield.html?rss
I read it too quickly on first viewing!}

Thanks for that reading it now
huddz red

11 Oct 2012 18:44:03
Ed1 you like your martial artsy films, whats your opinions on Ip Man and Goemon? If you have seen them? {Ed001's Note - Ip Man is brilliant, one of the best martial arts films of all time, in my opinion. Donnie Yen has grown as a martial arts actor in recent times and this is probably his best film. I haven't seen Goemon yet, I will add to my list of films to watch though and let you know when I do. Just one more thing, Ip Man 2 is also a good film, but not even in the same class as the first one.}

Ok cheers Ed, i've got the opportunity to acquire said films at a cheap price. {Ed001's Note - I take it you don't mean on offer online or something? Only, if Goemon is on offer somewhere, I would really appreciate the heads up!}

Heads up on a charity shop ed. {Ed001's Note - ah right, ok, good find then.}

Think Goemon though is £4 on amazon though.

Can get some good bargains if you hunt around, seems some people buy stuf, wathc it once then discard. Obviously check the discs out first but i think Goemon is online for less than a fiver, still not a bad price. {Ed001's Note - cheers I will have a look, I have some money on topcashback I can turn into an Amazon voucher.}

Its 4.77 on amazon ed, non blu ray, the only blu ray is us import. {Ed001's Note - oh cheers, I will get that, shame it's not blu ray though, I do love my blu rays. I always spend my vouchers on blu rays!}

Yeah i'm building a small colelction of blu rays.

These 2 from the charity shop still have the super market stickers on them, not sure they've been watched. {Ed001's Note - even better, nice one.}

Well Ip Man works fine just tried it on the pc, 1 of the trailers stood out: An Empress and the Warriors, also has Donnie in it, looks good might have to rent that. {Ed001's Note - Flashpoint is another excellent Yen film, Sammo Hung as the bad guy is excellent too, I always did like him.}

Yeah Sammo is quality, didn't choreograph Ip Man as well?

I must admit i do like a lot of Chinese/ Japanese films, less BS than Hollywood. {Ed001's Note - I am not sure, he was certainly involved with it, so it is possible. I like a lot of Korean films too, Arahan springs to mind as an excellent film.}

Korean cinema doesn't seem to get so much publicity. Worth a look though. Seen a couple of good trailers. {Ed001's Note - I have a few, I will have to dig them out and remind myself of the good ones for you. I tell you what film did surprise me, though I can't say whether it is a good or bad film as I had to switch it off quick, was Shinjuku Incident, with Jackie Chan. My daughter was having a couple of friends over for a sleepover and were hogging the living room and the TV, so I was in the room next to it and decided to watch something on the PS3 and though a Jackie Chan film will be safe if the kids come in. Except this one wasn't! Never knew he had even done a sex scene in a film, but typical one started just as they came in the room! I had to switch it off quick and have never got round to watching it again since.}

Haha thats always the luck!

No i didn't know he'd done anything like that either. The last film i watched with jackie Chan in was Cannonball Run, and its just hard to imagine him getting it on. {Ed001's Note - I was so disappointed by the way they misused him in those, he was the only reason I wanted to watch them. I ended up more excited about them using the same kit car as me dad had at the time in the second one, the bright yellow thing that the birds end up half inching, with a roof that lifts up to get in. It was also the Condorman car, hence why I have seen that film so many times even though it is sh not very good.}

I do like them, i like my comedies like that, and you couldn't make a film like the Cannonball Run today.

I agree i was a little disappointed in Jackie's appearance, its very stereotypical portrayal of asian martial artists but its a film thats very much a product of its time, like the abuse Sammy Davis Jr gets (Chocolate Monk!) Thankfully a bygone era. {Ed001's Note - I don't know, sometimes we go too far against it. I mean calling someone chocolate is hardly an insult, most people love chocolate. It was more a term of endearment, rather than an insult based on the colour of his skin. I do agree though, you won't see films like that again. It just wouldn't work these days.}

I think it was more a reference to what Sammy Davis had to put up with back in the 50's/ 60's and the change in attitudes by the early 80's. Today you wouldn't even be able to get a line like that in anything no matter the context.

I don't think there are the stars these days to make such a film, there are too many ego's these days to make an ensemble comedy piece like cannonball or the earlier 60's one's.

08 Oct 2012 15:11:07
Liam Neeson is king!

Is taken 2 any good then is it better than the first film.

I havnt actually had a chance to see it yet, but i have to admit ever since the first TAKEN film he has fast become one of my favourite actors, i know theres alot of opnions of THE GREY but IMO it was one of my fav films this year

He's always been a good and reliable actor, can't think of a bad film he's done.

I completely agree, the only film i slightly questioned was THE A-TEAM, mainly because i didnt want it to be re-done but i think even a film like that which lets be honest wasnt a great film, he still performed, one of films truly diverse and credible actors.

The grey was dreadful I wanted to slit my wrists after watching it truly depressing film

Waghead {Ed001's Note - the A-Team was pretty dire too.}

The Grey was an okay film, i know the wolves were overlarge, but in my opinion it was one of the more tolerable films of this year, and i agree The A-Team was dire.

A team was always going to to unfavourably compared to its tv predecessor as we all grew up with it on early saturday eevning tv after final score. But the tv show itself was awful so what were peoples expectations of the film?

For myself i enjoyed the film for what it was, an entertaining chill out.

I didnt have any expectations for the film really, its just a good film to zmobie out too as there is no brain power whatsoever needed to watch

Agreed in its my zombie out list, entertainign and don't need to think. Sometimes films can be too convoluted for no good reason. {Ed001's Note - I agree, and I wasn't expecting anything from it, I just thought the problem was that I got what I expected - nothing. It wasn't even good entertainment, like Avengers or Expendables, it was one of those films you watch once and never bother with again for me.}

Fair enough Ed, its got enough in for at least a 3rd viewing for me. {Ed001's Note - so long as you enjoy it, that's all that matters. Shows how subjective and personal film tastes are though.}

I'm more into sci-fi, war films, thrillers/ crime and martial artsy stuff, but cheesy action films have a time and a place usually for a chill out weekend.

What i don't like is crap rom coms and most comedy films of the last decade. {Ed001's Note - comedy films worth watching are rare these days, the only ones I can think of are Horrible Bosses, Tucker and Dale Vs Evil and the Inbetweeners movie (though that was weak compared to the TV shows) as funny films of the last decade. I am sure there must be more, but I literally can't think of any.}

Yeah i never got the inbetweeners things, the people that watch it are work are all in that early 20's generation which is more the target audience. If i gave it a go i'd probably like it its just having the time. I didn't like American Pie when it first came out, i was like its alright meh. Years later its more grew on me. But if i'm honest i'd rather stick on a bit of standup or something like Phoenix Nights, Police Academy that sort of thing. {Ed001's Note - Inbetweeners is one of those shows that I didn't like the look of so gave it a miss first time round. Then I was bored, there was nothing on, so I watched the first episode on 4OD and ended up watching the whole first series from beginning to end. It really is a truly funny show.}

07 Oct 2012 08:19:36
Anyone been to see looper yet? Brilliant, one of the films of the year in my opinion.

Waghead {Ed023's Note - I just watched the trailer. I will definitely be going to see that one. Thanks for sharing :)}

Looper was amazing, top top film

05 Oct 2012 12:13:25
Anymore news on the Top Gin sequel?

Sorry meant Top Gun Sequel!

Dont think its gonna happen mate the director who was hired to do it killed himself after finding out he had a brain tumour. sad really
huddz red

His brother Ridley should direct it instead in memory of him. Can see it now maverick is top dog at the top gun academy and ice man comes along tail between his legs fat as a house begging for a chance to teach the new breed some tricks.

03 Oct 2012 13:44:01
does anyone know what the next marvel film will be? Is it thor two or iron man three then avengers two after those two? I'm guessing there wont be another captain america film as its a bit pointless. Is there a suggested running order to watch them in? I've just seen the avengers boxset on amazon which looks pretty good and was wondering if there's a set running order. Starting with with captain america obviously and ending with avengers obviously but is there anything in the others which links them in universe into a timeframe not counting sequels obviously. Thanks!

I think the running order is:

Captain America,
Iron Man 1
Hulk (with the Tony Stark cameo at the end)
Iron Man 2
Thor (I think Thor takes place more or less at the same time as IM2 as if you remember Agent Coulson gets called away to take care of something out in the desert, that didn't make any sense until watching Thor so i think the 2 overlap)
Avengers Assemble.